# missing baptismal & other records **URL:** https://lingram.top/t/missing-baptismal-amp-other-records/12184 **Category:** Historical Archives **Created:** [April 1, 2004, 4:36am UTC](https://lingram.top/t/missing-baptismal-amp-other-records/12184 "2004-04-01T04:36:56Z") **Posts on this page:** 1 **Page:** 1
### Author: ![Nuestros\_Ranchos](https://lingram.top/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@Nuestros\_Ranchos](https://lingram.top/u/Nuestros_Ranchos) #### Post date: [April 1, 2004, 4:36am UTC](https://lingram.top/t/missing-baptismal-amp-other-records/12184/1 "2004-04-01T04:36:56Z")
Gloria, Even though you don't have the baptismal information, you apparently know the full names of his parents. Does your family have a story that they passed down explaining why his parents postponed marrying until 1875 and does it sound believable? Also, does Leon's original marriage documents from S.F. list his parents? I'm not familiar with the details on civil records, so forgive me if that is a stupid question/suggestion. If you have no evidence that Leon is Guillermo's child, you might consider other ways of re-affirming that your intuition is correct. For example, did Guillermo and Ma. Placida name Leon or his sister after Guillermo's brothers and sisters or parents? I have often found that children will be named in honor of ancestors, and if the name is uncommon for that time period, it could be a clue that you have the right people. Just put notes in your genealogy report explaining how you formed your conclusions and if it makes others uncomfortable, maybe they will attempt to solve the mystery with you. But please, pass on your "intuition based on extensive research" to the rest of the family - it's worth something. Good luck, Alice P.S. And please, don't stress out. Joseph isn't going to sick the Gestapo on you. He seems like a nice guy. **_Gloria Delgado_** wrote: > All right, here's another problem, actually several questions, I'm > putting in the hands of this knowledgeable group: > > Over the years we've tried to find my paternal grandfather's baptismal > record, going through many films of Bautismos in El Sagrario. I know > now where and when he was born, as eventually his civil birth record > was found under just his mother's name. His name was Leon CALVILLO > Ponce, natural son of Jose Guillermo CALVILLO Ursua and Maria Placida > PONCE Medina. (His parents, my great-grandparents, were eventually > married through the Church, in 1875.) > > But here's my question: He should have been baptized sometime in April > 1869. Although we couldn't find him in any of the relevant books, we > did come across a mystifying reference to a 'libro secreto #2' wherein > (I assume) were written the entries of natural or illegitimate > children [Film #299489, Bautismos del Sagrario 1868-1870]. If I were > to find this libro secreto #2, maybe it would list my grandfather's > baptism. > > Has anyone else come across a reference to this libro secreto #2, or > does anyone know how to find out more about it? We asked the personnel > at the LDS Library, but they didn't have a clue as to what it meant. > Later on my grandfather went through the Seminary in Guadalajara, and > studied there intending to enter the priesthood; and I would think that > one of the primary papers you would need to enter the Seminary is a > baptismal record. He would also have needed it for his church marriage > several years later. This record has to be somewhere! We even sent a > family member to the diocese of Guadalajara to ask, but no luck. > > We did find his sister's baptismal record in La Asuncion [El > Sagrario] in 1871. Although she and my grandfather were both hijos > naturales, she was erroneously listed as una hija legítima of my > great-grandparents; perhaps that's why she was in the baptismal records > and he wasn't. > > My grandfather and grandmother married in Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe > Church, in San Francisco, California, in 1904. two years before the > great earthquake and fire, which as everyone knows destroyed all > public records. Luckily the original marriage documents survived, or > there wouldn't be any legal proof of his marriage either! > > I've been trying to clean up and complete my genealogy as much as > possible to submit it to this group (and to make Joseph happy). Should > I just give up on this baptism as one of those things that will never > be found? To make matters worse, I can't find this grandfather's > grandfather either; and why? Because two months are missing from the > records, right where he should have been listed, in July 1816, in > Aguascalientes, Ags. > > Unfortunately the fact is that my genealogy has several 'holes' for > which I have only oral documentation... (and sometimes not even that, > just a very strong intuition based on extensive research) and I don't > have a clue as to what to do about it. Perhaps just accept it as a > fact of life and submit what I have? No responsible genealogist wants > to propagate errors, but if I don't turn in what I have, the little I > do know, and the connections I've made, will be lost. What have > others done in similar cases? Your thoughts or ideas would be > appreciated. > > Thanks, > Gloria * * * Do you Yahoo!? [Yahoo!" target="\_blank"\>http://promotions.yahoo.com/design\_giveaway/static/index2.html"\>Yahoo!](http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=23609/*